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dragon:ONE
09:29 AM

In reply to Meijer Black Friday Ad Brings on the Cheap Crap
What the heck's a Meijer?

[/lives in Upstate nowhere] #meijerblackfriday
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TheSonOfKrypton
09:18 AM

In reply to Meijer Black Friday Ad Brings on the Cheap Crap
What does the asterix mean? #meijerblackfriday
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Dethzilla
09:25 AM

@TheSonOfKrypton: Probably means it's a door buster... #meijerblackfriday
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joe.glass
09:09 AM

In reply to Meijer Black Friday Ad Brings on the Cheap Crap
So Sylvainia TVs are no good? #meijerblackfriday
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ultrasonoro
09/10/09

In reply to The Best of LCD: New LED-Lit TVs From LG, Samsung and Sony Compared
I agree with Cetrian plasma technology is much better in terms of "bang for buck". I'm an Audiovisual Technician and in most of our government installs we use 65" plasmas for our VTC setups. They just look better. It's not like you've got to carry them around on trips with you. Who cares if they're heavier? Once it's on the wall or your media stand it's there. $5,000 for a 52" screen? I can get 2 65" plasma's for that price.
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Xeno
09/11/09

@ultrasonoro: Agreed, if you are going to spend that much money on something make sure it does it well Plasma has the best picture so it is still the best TV.
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Cetrian
09/10/09

In reply to The Best of LCD: New LED-Lit TVs From LG, Samsung and Sony Compared
Sorry, but I just don't see the good in this technology. Plasma's heavy, expensive, hot, and inefficient, but IT LOOKS GREAT. I don't see why we need to spend as much or more on an LCD with a fancier backlight. These manufacturers are selling you the same crippled display technology with a better flashlight behind it. Save you $4000 and go buy a $2000 plasma. You'll be happy you did - especially when something, oh, MOVES on screen.
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anexanhume
09/10/09

In reply to The Best of LCD: New LED-Lit TVs From LG, Samsung and Sony Compared
Make the TV a little fatter and drop the wireless HDMI and you have the LH90, for half the price. It's worthy to be compared here as well.
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dagamer34
09/10/09

In reply to The Best of LCD: New LED-Lit TVs From LG, Samsung and Sony Compared
$5,000 TV today will be worth $3500 in 6 months and $2000 in a year. Never spend more than a grand on a TV, regardless of size, otherwise you're going to be kicking yourself for spending so much, only to be outclassed by next years models.

And the best way to avoid uncomfortable feelings is to buy your TV and NEVER set foot in that section of the store again. Otherwise, you might want to cry.
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virus5891
09/10/09

i agree with this... the bad thing is i have that problem... "well if i spend 100 more i could get this.... well if i'm gonna spend that i might as well spend 100 more and get this... oh screw it where's the xbr8?@dagamer34:
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EvanPelican
09/10/09

In reply to Local Dimmed LCD vs Normal LCD
According to Toshiba, their Black goes to eleven
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Noobs-R-Us
09/10/09

In reply to LG 55LHX Flagship LCD HDTV: Backlit LED, Wireless HDMI and THX
I hate how all these TV's are moving to wireless. As if we don't have enough radiation exposure in our lives already. They should give us the option to attach the external box by one slim cable to the TV. That way, we can easily hide the cable behind the TV and not be exposed to more random radiation.
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ceilingFANBOY
09/10/09

In reply to Local Dimmed LCD vs Normal LCD
The problem with local dimming appears when you have dark and bright things next to each other. This can result in halos around bright images or a loss of detail in dark areas. For example, look at the hexagon of lights at the top of the image. Because it is a primarily dark area, the localized LED TV makes it a dark area, thus causing you to lose the trusses between the lights which are easily visible on the non localized LED TV. Comparing a localized LED TV to a CCFL TV is not a fair comparison, either. They are taking two steps up and marketing it as one step up. Compare a localized LED TV to a standard LED backlit TV. That would be more fair. While this image isn't enough to show the halo effect (it does appear that there is a weird ring around the nose of the plane, but that could be something different going on there) looking at reviews of TVs where they do comparisons often show that the localized LEDs have lower black levels than the plasmas in letterbox bars on movies with bright scenes while the black levels are nearly identical in dark scenes.
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Worf
09/10/09

In reply to Local Dimmed LCD vs Normal LCD
Local dimming should be the first thing disabled when you buy a new TV. It's great for the masses who say "ooh, look 1,000,000:1 contrast ratio!" but honestly, unless it's per-pixel, it means neighbouring pixels get darker and if it's a dark image that's displayed, makes the bright parts dimmer as well.

It's also bad if you use those calibrators - they get horribly messed up because of the dimming.

Local dimming makes blacks blacker, but it does't do a thing about dynamic range. Just dims the bright parts in a dark area. (And maybe that part was dark to HIGHLIGHT the bright parts, and now you've ruined it).
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nutbastard
09/10/09

@Worf:

PER PIXEL???

so it would be ok if there were 2,073,600 sub-millimeter LEDs, but until then it's not worth it?

it seems to me that locally dimming LEDs beat the shit out of non-local LED, since THAT would cause bright areas to darken in dark scenes - not the other way around.

"it means neighbouring pixels get darker"

that's preferable to ALL pixels going dark in dark scenes, is it not?

your sense... it doesn't make.
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Log1c
09/10/09

@Worf: Wait what? "Local dimming makes blacks blacker, but it doesn't do a thing about dynamic range"...

What is your definition of dynamic range?
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bosskev
09/10/09

In reply to Local Dimmed LCD vs Normal LCD
I do NOT think this looks good. In fact, I'd say local dimming looks like crap.

Sure, some of the vast area of black sky looks darker, but look at that same sky as it approaches the scaffolding. Because of "local dimming" only—i.e., not pixel-by-pixel dimming—the dark sky starts to get lighter grey again, creating a completely unnatural, slightly glowing aura around the brighter elements of the scene. This is NOT what the image looked like, this is NOT attractive and this should NOT be considered "an improvement".

Don't be sheep to marketing Newspeak, folks. Reject these kinds of half-assed, inferior solutions.
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Anemovatis
09/10/09

@bosskev: Very true. It's either pixel-by-pixel local dimming or even 4pixels-by-4pixels (to decrease the number of LED's to reduce the cost a bit) or nothing.
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anexanhume
09/10/09

@bosskev: I have viewed the image and looked for the effect you are referring to, but I cannot see it. I have also viewed locally-dimmed LCD sets in persons and have not noticed this effect (or at least, not to an extent where it bothered) and thought that the picture quality was excellent, on par with many plasmas.

I also think you're making some simplistic assumptions about backlighting engines to make them seem unappealing. You appear to suggest that there's no intelligence to the engine, and it simply backlights colored areas and doesn't backlight non-colored areas. The set may very well take into account both the amount of color and its proximity to any dark areas to actually determine how many backlights to use, mitigating any potential "unnatural" look. And guess what, current LCD can suffer from backlight bleed as well, yet they can't achieve these types of blacks.

Finally, I also think it's a simplistic assumption to say this is "unnatural", because the ideal situation to convey this point would be a black area right next to a white one. However, how naturally occuring is that? The only place you really see that (and where reviewers have complained in the past), is where you get white text "blooming" on a black background, as it would in credits. Other than that, those stark contrasts of colors is not natural, and a gradient almost always exists in scenes. So, you're judging it with a standard it's not really subjected to in practice.

As always, any smart consumer should see through the numbers and features to compare the actual quality of the set versus its price. Otherwise, they're just a marketing guy's wet dream.
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Xeno
09/10/09

@bosskev: Agreed until they have a 1:1 dimming option plasma will remain the superior display technology(until OLED that is).
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iamxyj
09/10/09

@bosskev: Sounds like someone can't wait for OLED TVs to become mainstream
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SigmundTheSeaMonster
09/10/09

In reply to Local Dimmed LCD vs Normal LCD
Gimmicks are still gimmicks...
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GastonOgodai
09/10/09

In reply to Local Dimmed LCD vs Normal LCD
See, that's actually the good part about this.
Local dimming will help fix that.
Old LCDs will turn the entire backlight down to match the black in dark scenes.
This causes characters to also appear darker.

Local dimming can keep the characters bright, and the background dark, making them "pop" more, and making the scene clearer.
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okeribok
09/10/09

In reply to Local Dimmed LCD vs Normal LCD
This dies when OLED becomes affordable and durable.
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Mark Wilson
09/10/09

@okeribok: Hahaha. Yes. We've been saying that for a decade. Still waiting.
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